The red one had no spark so off came the rewind and I found that someone had converted it to 'no point' ignition with some little module made in Australia. That saw runs but the oiler doesn't work because it's missing the check valve. The gas and the black stuff really turned to a sticky mess. The blue saw has a replacement fuel line - just a piece of tubing - but they plugged the gap where it leaves the tank with some black stuff. The saws came out of Iowa, a family deal I guess, but farmers have a funny way of fixing things. The oil slot matches pretty good so I'll chuck a 12mm bolt in my lathe and drill a 3/8' hole in it and the cut it into two spacers. Of course they weren't without a few problems the worst being a Stihl bar mounted on one - a 12.4mm slot instead of 9.5mm, but you know, I might leave it on - its a 20' bar. I picked up those two saws Thursday night, one blue and one red. I called him and said somehow I'd make a connection when he'd be home and I be heading north. The guy lived just a little off the beaten path between my home in the Twin Cites and my lake cabin 210 miles to the NW. Now how could I go wrong on a deal like that D For a mere $20 dollars I could have both. I stumbled across an ad on craigslist about a month ago for 2 XL-12's.